Sarah: “It’s very hard to imagine how the world would select one leadership. It sounds like something that is hundreds of years in the future – if ever.”

 

Dr. Neruda: “I understand your conclusion, but what seems implausible today can rapidly evolve if the proper conditions are created. This is precisely what the Incunabula are focused on above all else. They realize that this may not take place until the year 2040 or even later, but they are convinced that consolidation of power – at a global level – is necessary in order to prevent planetary destruction or what we talked about earlier as Armageddon.”

Sarah: “What do you mean by planetary destruction?”

Dr. Neruda: “There are many decay forces that can take hold of a planet and cause its decline as a supportive living environment. In our interactions with extraterrestrials, this is a common theme that is expressed because this condition frequently accompanies the rise of post-modern civilizations.

“Human populations fragment across a planet, developing their unique cultures, language, economic systems, and state identities. Certain states have the good fortune of natural resources and some do not. As these natural resources of the planet are converted into commercial advantage, some states flourish economically and some flounder.

“As the stronger states begin to dominate the weaker, military forces and weapons are created. Applied technology becomes the ultimate weapon. If multiple super powers are allowed to develop they can bring destruction to the human populations of the planet. If population densities reach a critical level, it can have the same devastating effects.

“The human residents increasingly bring the planet under pressure. If left unchecked, the planet can reach a critical stage of destruction whereby human populations no longer find the planet a suitable habitat.”

Sarah: “So you’re saying that the whole reason the Incunabula are engineering the globalization of earth is because they want to save earth from destruction?”

Dr. Neruda: “I will put it this way. The leaders of the Incunabula are very clear about the threats that earth will undergo in the 21st century. They believe their orchestration of human events better serves the human population than to leave it to the forces of competitive politics. They genuinely believe that the self-interests of the states will prevent a consolidation of global power.”

Sarah: “Remind me again, why is this consolidation, as you put it, so critical to our survival?”

Dr. Neruda: “Because the threats that will confront the human population in the 21st century will be global issues – whether they are intractable recessions, dwindling oil supplies, food distribution, overpopulation, pollution, nuclear fallout, or extraterrestrial visitations, they will require a global, coordinated response. Unless the nations of the world are united, they will respond too slowly to the threats, and the decay forces will have such traction that they may be impossible to reverse.”

Sarah: “But isn’t this why the United Nations was formed? To deal with these very issues?”

Dr. Neruda: “The United Nations is a prototype that the Incunabula designed to serve as an experiment to test the format for a world government. It was never considered to be the format for consolidation.

“The issues of which I’m speaking of are not confronted in the United Nations, even if they’re discussed and debated. Resolutions are designed to help remedy the problems, but ultimately it depends upon the will of the individual state to implement, monitor, report, analyze results, and make adjustments, and this is not enforced in any reasonable manner. A world government, to be effective, will require the ability to enforce and adjust resolutions based on sound analysis. Otherwise these threats will arise and the world’s people will not be able to speak with a single voice, and more importantly, to act as a unified force against threats.”

Sarah: “So this is the real end game of the Incunabula? What happened to the greedy elitists you disclosed earlier?”

Dr. Neruda: “Greed is alive and well within the ranks of the Incunabula. But I’ve been talking about the planners of the Incunabula – the people who have the real grip on power. They don’t operate out of greed. They have assets that are beyond the imagination of even wealthy people. The acquisition of wealth is completed for them.

“The planners are concerned with securing humanity’s future, rather than generating wealth for themselves.”

Sarah: “Okay, I understand you’re a sympathizer of the Incunabula, but what happened to the insatiable greed and self interests? I know you mentioned this before.”

Dr. Neruda: “It exists, but the Incunabula, like any undisclosed organization is composed of multiple levels. Operatives at the lower levels function within a set of rules and norms that do not apply to the higher levels. In other words, planners operate in a completely different organizational culture. There is a sophistication and penetrating insight at the highest levels that are not existent at the operations level.

“Planners within the Incunabula are of a special character and they feel a genuine responsibility to manage the global affairs of humanity. They are most certainly better equipped than heads of state to perform this function, and so they compose and orchestrate world events instead of merely participating in their unfolding.

“Over time, this role has made them very responsible and even paternalistic to humanity as a whole. They’re not motivated by greed, as are many others within the Incunabula and the broader Triad of Power, but they earnestly desire to save the planet. They are like captains of a ship that know where the dangers lie in the waters below and steer quietly away because they do not want to go down with the ship.”

Sarah: “Okay, when you say these planners are anonymous, they must have names and identities, right?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. They operate outside of our system. They cannot be tracked or identified. If they were to be hit by a car and sent to a hospital, they would have diplomatic papers and immunity. They would not have any record of existence outside of this. And even if their identity were researched, it would lead to a fabricated identity.”

Sarah: “What about family and relatives? I assume they were born into families weren’t they?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, they are human if that’s what you’re implying. In most cases they’re groomed for their positions from an early age. When they reach their early twenties they’re typically brought into a direct mentorship with one of the Incunabula planners and a very specific succession process is begun, which usually lasts for about ten years. When the person is in his mid-twenties his loyalty is tested in every conceivable manner over the next five years. If he passes these tests, he is allowed to preview the inner workings of the Incunabula. For most, this is near their thirty-third birthday.

“At this point, a new identity is transferred to the person and they die – quite literally – so far as their family and friends are concerned. These deaths are arranged as covers for their new identities and usually involve drowning or a fire accident, where physical evidence is minimal. Prior to their arranged death, insurance policies, if they exist, are cancelled to ensure minimal investigation, and usually the death is staged during a trip to a specific third-world country where police investigators are more easily controlled.

“After their death event, the new planner is inducted in a secret ceremony that I do not have details of. This inner circle becomes the surrogate family for the new planner, and as they develop in their skills, insights, intuition, and knowledge base, they develop a very protective sensibility to the longstanding goals and objectives of the Incunabula.”

Sarah: “Okay, but don’t they ultimately get married and have children? How do they keep all of this separate? I mean how do you go to work during the day and plan the future of the world and then come home to dinner with the wife and kids?”

Dr. Neruda: “The planners are not married. It’s frowned on by the Incunabula. It is one of the tests I mentioned that they undergo in their mid-twenties.”

Sarah: “So it’s a priesthood?”

Dr. Neruda: “Not at all. No one is asked to be celibate, but the role of the planner is all consuming. It requires minimal distractions and commitments outside of their role as planners. It’s a sacrifice and it heightens loyalty within the circle of planners.”

Sarah: “How do they find future planners if they don’t have children?”

Dr. Neruda: “There are only five to eight planners at any one time within the Incunabula. Five is the core number, but there are usually two or three in training as well, but these do not have voting powers. I mention this because it is a very small number. Now, as to your question, candidates are identified early on – usually when the person is a teenager.”

Sarah: “Is this as a result of them doing something noteworthy or does it result from something else?”

Dr. Neruda: “They are, with rare exception, identified as a result of their genetics.”

Sarah: “How is this done?”

Dr. Neruda: “It’s a result of extensive tracking of lineages and genetic traits – including mutations. This is something that is well understood by the Incunabula, and is given a significant amount of time and investment. Genetic candidates are identified and observed over a period of about three years before any contact is made.”

Sarah: “How many, at any one time, are being tracked?”

Dr. Neruda: “About fifty in number, but out of every generation only two or three are chosen.”

Sarah: “And those that aren’t chosen don’t even know they were passed over?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, that’s correct.”

Sarah: “How did the planners come about? I mean, how did they rise to leadership?”

Dr. Neruda: “The Incunabula came to its power as a result of the inefficiencies of the intelligence community to gather information and position its strategic value relative to the long-term crises that were forming on the horizon as they pertained to the global economy.

“Shortly after the second World War, many nations, including the United States, restructured or initiated their intelligence organizations – particularly as it related to foreign policy intelligence gathering.

“However, these organizations were still locked into the cold war mentality and didn’t formally share intelligence as a result. The Incunabula arose out of a need to consolidate global intelligence as the best means to strategically maneuver the nation states to a unified platform of commerce.”

Sarah: “So it was less about saving the world than it was about making money, at least initially?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “But how did it all start? I mean who decided it would be a good idea to create an organization that shared intelligence?”

Dr. Neruda: “If I gave you his name, it wouldn’t mean anything to you. I assure you his name is not recorded in any directory or reference material you could research.”

Sarah: “But there was only one person that started this organization?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. There were five men that started it, but one sparked the vision.”

Sarah: “As you’re talking I can’t help but think that these planners sound a lot like the Hollywood portrayal of the antichrist. I mean don’t they wield a god-like power? And yet I haven’t heard you say anything about a religious connection.”

Dr. Neruda: “I think the power they wield is directed at the survival of humanity. They’re not evil in the sense that they’re intent on destroying earth or humanity. They’re trying to guide humanity to new systems before the old systems decay and create the conditions that could bring annihilation to a substantial percentage of the species.

“The choices of a fragmented state leadership or anarchy are not suitable systems for modern, civilized man. They invariably lead to imbalance and an inability to move from the old system to the new system. Before the advent of long-range missile technology, nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, this migration of the human race from one system to another was not as critical. But the chasm that exists between systems as complex as economies and energy, and in light of modern weapon’s technology, the Incunabula serve a vital role.”

Sarah: “Do the planners believe in God?”

Dr. Neruda: “I presume they believe in a higher power. Perhaps they don’t call it God because of the religious overtones contained in that word, but they certainly are aware of the unification force because Fifteen has acquainted the present generation of planners with the LERM technology.”

Sarah: “That’s interesting. So they’ve all seen LERM and know how it works?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, to your first question, but I don’t believe they understand how it works at the micro-factual level.”

Sarah: “When someone – like the Incunabula planners – interact with LERM, assuming they didn’t believe in God beforehand, in other words they’re an atheist, does it convert them?”

Dr. Neruda: “Again, it depends on the definition of God. If they don’t believe in God as defined by a certain religion, and then experience LERM, they will not be persuaded by LERM to believe in the religious version of God.”

Sarah: “I think I followed your explanation, but what I mean is different. Assume they didn’t believe in any higher power, that the universe is a big mechanical formation that became the way it did by some evolutionary quirk. Would someone of this mindset become a believer that there’s a force orchestrating things – even if you don’t choose to call it God?”

Dr. Neruda: “Everyone who has undertaken the LERM experience concludes that a unifying intelligence pervades the universe in every measurable dimension, and that this intelligence is both personal and universal simultaneously, and because of this feature, it is absolute, unique, singular.

“It’s a life-changing experience even if you already believe in God. You are converted, as you put it, no matter how strong or weak your previous beliefs in God were.”

Sarah: “It’s too bad you didn’t bring this technology with you when you defected… I’d love to experience this.
So, back to the Incunabula for a moment, it would make me feel better if I knew they believed in God, and you’re saying they do. Right?”

Dr. Neruda: “They believe in this unifying intelligence that I spoke of, and I suspect that if you asked them, they would tell you that they’re guided and perhaps even inspired by this intelligent force. I don’t know if they would call it God or some other name. But I trust they are believers in what some would call the unification force.”

Sarah: “But it’s not like a religion to them?”

Dr. Neruda: “That’s correct. I know of nothing that would suggest that the Incunabula planners follow a specified religion or desire to start one for that matter.

Sarah: “I don’t know why I’m asking all these question tonight, but it’s fascinating to hear more details about the Incunabula. I find it an irresistible topic.

“How is it that you know so much about such a secretive organization?”

Dr. Neruda: “As I mentioned previously, the ACIO is a major contractor with the Incunabula and receives funding and support from them, including shared intelligence and mutual protection. As a result of this longstanding relationship, directors at the ACIO have considerable insight into the organization. Fifteen is not a planner, but is held in very high esteem by the planners and meets with them perhaps once or twice a year.

“Fifteen is well aware of the objectives of the planners, and he shares his insights with members of the Labyrinth Group. We also discuss how the Incunabula’s plans might bear on our own. The Incunabula is a factor in the ACIO plans, but they don’t dominate its agenda.”

Sarah: “How much do the Incunabula know about the WingMakers and the Ancient Arrow site?”

Dr. Neruda: “Very little, as far as I know. Fifteen begrudgingly provides some information to his direct agency supervisor, but the NSA is not aware of the Ancient Arrow site. There are two operatives within the NSA that are aware of the original artifact that was found, but Fifteen placed the existence of this artifact in question due to its self-destruction.”

Sarah: “I assume from your response that whatever is shared with the NSA, at least in the case of the ACIO, it is shared with the Incunabula planners.”

Dr. Neruda: “No. There are information filters that reduce clutter. Only certain information, as deemed necessary by Fifteen, is forwarded up the command chain to the Incunabula planners.”

Sarah: “The WingMakers are understood to be a force to be reckoned with, correct?”

Dr. Neruda: “Do you mean by the Incunabula planners?”

Sarah: “Yes.”

Dr. Neruda: “The planners know about the Central Race and the legend pertaining to their existence. There are several important references to them in various books and prophecy, so even if the ACIO didn’t share anything of their discovery in New Mexico, the Incunabula – especially its planners – are well aware of the Central Race.”
 

Sarah: “Why did Fifteen choose not to share the Ancient Arrow discovery with either the NSA or the Incunabula?”
 

Structure and Relationships of the Labyrinth Group

Dr. Neruda: “Fifteen designed the Labyrinth Group largely for security reasons. Information that pertains to BST is held in the highest secrecy. As I mentioned earlier, Fifteen was hopeful that the Ancient Arrow site, and the other related sites, would somehow accelerate the successful deployment of BST.

 

“It’s a simple matter of not wanting to alert the Incunabula, or the NSA for that matter, to the technology prowess of the Labyrinth Group. If they knew what the Labyrinth Group had in terms of technology, the planners would want to have detailed knowledge of this technology, and Fifteen doesn’t trust anyone outside his directors with this knowledge.”

Sarah: “The part that I find bewildering in all of this is that you have all of this knowledge about the universe, extraterrestrials, global plans, and futuristic technologies, and because you have this knowledge you’re essentially a prisoner now.”

Dr. Neruda: “I prefer conscientious defector.”

Sarah: “Whatever you call it, you've got to be a little paranoid about the remote viewing capabilities of the ACIO and their various technologies. How can you outrun the ACIO or the Incunabula if they’re anywhere as powerful as you say they are?”

Dr. Neruda: “I don’t know that I can evade them. I don’t feel invincible or vulnerable. I’m simply operating on a moment-to-moment basis, trying my best to transfer what I know so you can help me publish this information.

“It’s never been done before – to defect from the ACIO. I know Fifteen is searching for me, I can actually feel this.”

Sarah: “You mean you can feel when they use their remote viewing technology?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “How often have you detected this since you left?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’d prefer not to say how many instances, but I’m aware of each incident.”

Sarah: “Have you ever felt this during our interview?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. I would stop the interview if this were the case.”

Sarah: “How would this help?”

Dr. Neruda: “I would prefer that they not hear our conversation – even its general tone.”

Sarah: “Is this why we meet at the times we do?”

[Note: Our meetings were always in a different place, late at night, and they were often outdoors in non-descript places. This was the case in this fourth interview.]
 

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “So how do you protect yourself and me?”

Dr. Neruda: “By meeting at odd hours and changing locations, at least until you can get these interviews published on the Internet.”

Sarah: “How will this help you exactly? I know we’ve had this discussion before, but I still don’t understand how this information will help you if it gets into the public domain. It seems to me that it would only anger them.”

Dr. Neruda: “They won’t be pleased at this disclosure – there’s no doubt in this. However, it will not touch them in any significant way because very few in power will believe what I share with you, assuming they even read it.”

Sarah: “And why is this?”

Dr. Neruda: “They are totally consumed in their own agendas and personal dramas. The information I’m disclosing defies categorization. It ranges from poetry to physics, from esoteric philosophy to the conspiratorial forces within MIC (the Military Industrial Complex). And because it defies categorization, it will be difficult to critique and analyze. Most will consider it an interesting piece of entertainment and leave it at that.

“Also, and more importantly, there’s a real feeling of acceptance because intelligentsia and the political body of dissent don’t feel equipped to stop what is presumed to be the inevitable. There are those within both of these groups that have a general awareness of what is emerging, but feel completely powerless to change it, and there is a sense of fate that accompanies their silence.

“The ones that will find it most disturbing are the planners within the Incunabula, and Fifteen himself, and not because politicians or the media will be stepping into their arena, but because they don’t want their secrets revealed to their followers, or, in the case of Fifteen, to the planners of the Incunabula or his contacts at the NSA.”

Sarah: “So this is a purpose of these disclosures – to infuriate the Incunabula planners and your boss?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. I don’t have any vested interest in making their lives more difficult. It’s simply a result of my candid disclosure that they will undergo the resulting pressures from their constituents. This is the only thing that they’ll find unpleasant in this whole disclosure. Once the information is out I will be less an interest, other than for pure analysis.”

Sarah: “Pure analysis?”

Dr. Neruda: “What I mean is that the ACIO – Fifteen in particular – will want to analyze what went wrong in their security system to ensure that another defection will not take place. There’s always the lurking fear that one successful defection would encourage others. If they captured me, they would be able to do a more thorough analysis on the psychological state, precipitating factors, methods of evasion, and so on.”

Sarah: “You’ve talked before about the website. What is it that you want to achieve with this?”

Dr. Neruda: “To simply make available what the WingMakers have left behind. It will not threaten the ACIO or the Incunabula. It would be impossible to do so, and they know that I understand this. I can only cause a temporary embarrassment at best, but they can manage their way through that.

“As I’ve said from the beginning, I wanted to share this information from the Ancient Arrow site and any subsequent sites that I can.”

Sarah: “Any subsequent sites? Are you planning to find additional sites?”

Dr. Neruda: “I believe there are seven sites on earth. I also believe they can be found.”

Sarah: “How, exactly?”

Dr. Neruda: “I can’t disclose this.”

Sarah: “Have you found something within the Ancient Arrow artifacts that gives you directions?”

Dr. Neruda: “Again, I don’t want to disclose the details of this.”

Sarah: “Okay. Since we landed on the topic of the artifacts, I’m reminded that in our last session you mentioned that you’d like us to talk about the artifacts from the Ancient Arrow site. This might be a good time to do so. Where would you like to begin?”

Dr. Neruda: “One of the most interesting artifacts was the original homing device.”

Sarah: “This is the one found by the students at the University of New Mexico?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. It was enigmatic in all respects.”

Sarah: “Give me some examples.”

Dr. Neruda: “When it was first discovered, it was laying on top of the ground as if it had been placed there. This was not a buried object – as it should have been. It was left in the open, albeit in a very non-descript section of northern New Mexico. When the students handled it, it immediately induced vivid hallucinations, which they couldn’t understand.”

Sarah: “What kind of hallucinations?”

Dr. Neruda: “They saw images of a cave-like structure. It later turned out to be the Ancient Arrow site, but of course they didn’t know what it was, and were afraid of it because they linked the hallucinations to touching the object. So they wrapped the object up in a jacket, stuck it in their backpack, and brought it to a professor at the University, who examined it. We discovered it within hours afterwards and dispatched a team to secure the artifact.”

Sarah: “How exactly did you find out about the artifact? I assume the ACIO isn’t listed in the phone directory.”

Dr. Neruda: “There are certain keywords that are monitored in e-mail and phone communications – especially within academia. The ACIO simply taps into this technology that was developed by the NSA, and can intercept e-mails and phone calls anywhere in the world that relate to key words that it monitors.”

Sarah: “Like Alien or Extraterrestrial?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. It actually works a little differently because the ACIO can define how many characters – in the case of e-mail, or how much time – in the case of a phone conversation – it wants to monitor on either side of the key word, and then extracts entire sentences or even paragraphs in an effort to verify context. It also correlates this to the e-mail’s IP address or phone number to a credibility index. If all of these variables meet a specified level, the communication event is relayed to analysts at the ACIO who then perform more invasive techniques to ensure context and content are matched and verified. All of these steps can take place in a matter of an hour or two.”

Sarah: “And once you have this information verified you swoop in and take possession of whatever you want?”

Dr. Neruda: “We have uncovered our most important discoveries in this very manner since this system was activated, and the ACIO operates differently depending on the situation. In this case, operatives were dispatched to the professor’s office posing as NSA agents in search of a missing experimental weapon. It was believed by the professor to be in his own best interest to release the object without delay since the artifact was deemed to be imminently dangerous.”

Sarah: “I’m surprised. Didn’t he wonder how you knew he had it?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’m sure he did, but there’s an element of shock that the operatives make use of and they’re also highly skilled in the use of mind control. I’m sure he was very cooperative. The artifact was secured without any major objection by the professor or the University.”

Sarah: “If I contacted the University of New Mexico would I be able to confirm that this occurred?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. Every event of this kind is com-cleared, which is an ACIO term, meaning contracts are signed and all communications are monitored for one year to ensure compliance.”

Sarah: “So they signed contracts and won’t talk because of a piece of paper? That seems a bit outlandish.”

Dr. Neruda: “Do you know the penalty for treason?”

Sarah: “No, I mean I understand it’s not a good thing at all, but I just find it a little strange that someone like a learned professor would be intimidated by a signed contract. What about the students that originally found it, are they also com-cleared?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “Okay, back to the artifact. What happened when you retrieved it? What was your role specifically?”

Dr. Neruda: “I was asked to lead a team to assess the artifact using our internal Sanitaire process.”

Sarah: “What’s this process do?”

Dr. Neruda: “Whenever an extraterrestrial artifact is recovered, it’s initially put through the Sanitaire process, or what we sometimes referred to as the ‘I-steps’, which includes four stages of analysis.

• The first is Inspection where we examine the object’s exterior and map its exterior features in our computer.

• The next is Inference, which is the stage where we take the results of stage one and compute the probable applications of the object.

• The third stage is Intervention, which is related to any issues that pertain to the defense or security mode of the object.

• And the last stage is Invasion, which simply means we try to access the inner workings of the object and find out how it operates.”

Sarah: “How difficult was it to go through this four-step process with this artifact?”

Dr. Neruda: “It was one of the most difficult we had ever examined.”

Sarah: “Why?”

Dr. Neruda: ”It was designed for a very specific purpose and unless it was used for this purpose, it was completely impenetrable to our examinations.”

Sarah: “Didn’t the hallucinations affect you?”

Dr. Neruda: “We knew of the hallucinations reported by the students who recovered the artifact, but we didn’t find any evidence of this at all in our labs. We assumed the students were imagining this due to the unusual nature of the artifact.

“It wasn’t until later that we discovered that the very subtle markings on the exterior of the object where actually three dimensional topographical maps. Once we overlaid these to real maps of the area in which the object was found, we uncovered its real purpose, which was a homing beacon.

“The hallucinations were site-specific, which is to say that there was a proximity effect encoded within the artifact that caused it to operate when two conditions were present. First, the object needed to be within the geographical range of its map coordinates – as etched on its casing – and two, it needed to be held in a human’s hands in order for its guidance system to activate.”

Sarah: “And by guidance system you’re talking about the hallucinations?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “And throughout this whole process you didn’t know where this artifact came from, right?”

Dr. Neruda: “We knew it was extraterrestrial and we knew it was situated.”

Sarah: “What do you mean by situated?”

Dr. Neruda: “That it was placed there to be found.”

Sarah: “Who do you think did this?”

Dr. Neruda: “Representatives of the Central Race.”

Sarah: “So what happened next after you realized it was a homing beacon?”

Dr. Neruda: “A team was dispatched to the area and we essentially followed the device to the interior structure of the Ancient Arrow site, which you’re already aware of.”

Sarah: “You said earlier that this artifact was the most amazing of the entire find. If it was simply a homing device, then the other artifacts I assume were fairly mundane.”

Dr. Neruda: “To be more accurate, I can’t say it was the most interesting since I defected before all the other artifacts were sent through the I-Steps process, but it was a very advanced technology and one of the most enigmatic we had come across in quite a while.

“For example, once our team came within a certain distance of the site, the artifact animated under some undetermined energy source and scanned our group. It was literally reading our bodies and minds, presumably to determine if we were suitable to discover the site.”

Sarah: “And if you weren’t suitable?”

Dr. Neruda: “It was never discussed, but I think everyone assumed it would probably have destroyed the site and all those present at the time of the scanning. As it was, it only destroyed itself.”

Sarah: “And you had no idea that it was capable of these feats when you examined it?”

Dr. Neruda: “None whatsoever. Its casing was resistant to all of our invasive analyses. It was a real source of frustration. In fact, the artifact in the 23rd chamber was similarly vexing and required significantly more resources to complete the I-Steps process.”

Sarah: “Are these the only two artifacts from the site that you’ve completed the I-Steps process?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, prior to my defection. But there were artifacts in every chamber, although the one discovered in chamber twenty-three seemed the most important.”

Sarah: “And why was that?”

Dr. Neruda: “Remember that I described the interior of the site as a helix-shaped tunnel system?”

Sarah: “Yes.”

Dr. Neruda: “The uppermost chamber was the 23rd chamber and in it was the optical disc. While the other chambers held artifacts similar in size and composition to the homing artifact, the artifact in the twenty-third chamber was an optical disc that had a degree of familiarity to it, and we considered it the key to the entire site.”

Sarah: “Because it was so different from the other artifacts?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. It was also the highest chamber in the formation and it was unique in its structure in that it was the only chamber that was unfinished.”

Sarah: “I understand that all the information you showed me came from the disc, and I know you’ve explained in some detail about how you were able to decode the information, but you’ve alluded tonight that something within this site points to the location of six other sites. Can you elaborate on this at all?”

Dr. Neruda: “There’s nothing in this information that points to the location of the other six sites. However, I believe there is, encoded within this information, location markers to the next site.”

Sarah: “You mean the sites are supposed to be discovered in a specific order one at a time?”

Dr. Neruda: “I believe so.”

Sarah: “Can you give me some hints as to where the next site is, based on your analysis?”

Dr. Neruda: “If I gave you some information, you would need to promise that this interview would not be released until I contacted you and confirmed it was okay to do so. Would you agree with this?”

Sarah: “Certainly. I would honor anything you asked.”

Dr. Neruda: “There is an ancient temple just outside of the city of Cusco, Peru called Sacsayhuaman. It is somewhere near this temple that the next site will be found.” (see the already discovered 2nd Site at Cusco on March 2003)

Sarah: “And do you know where exactly, or are you simply saying near to be evasive.”

Dr. Neruda: “No, I believe I know the exact coordinates, but this detail I won’t disclose.”

Sarah: “This is your homeland isn’t it?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, I grew up not too far from this area.”

Sarah: “Have you been to this site before?”

Dr. Neruda: “No, but I’m somewhat familiar with the city of Cusco.”

Sarah: “This question may seem to come out of left field, and I’d understand if you don’t want to answer it, but why do you think the Central Race would design a defensive system upon earth and then leave its discovery and activation to an organization like the ACIO?”

Dr. Neruda: “I don’t think it was left in the hands of the ACIO to find and activate these sites.”

Sarah: “You, then?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’m not able to say at this time.”

Sarah: “But you’re certainly an important part of this aren’t you?”

Dr. Neruda: “I hope so.”

Sarah: “Okay, here’s another left curve.

“Why are five men – the Incunabula planners – allowed to control the destiny of humanity? I mean it’s only five men and we’re five billion world citizens. No one elected these guys, and virtually no one knows who these guys are, what their plans are, capabilities, insights, or even if they truly have our best interests at heart.

“After hearing your story tonight, I’m left with this sense of indignation that five guys – no matter how well intentioned – are deciding the fate of humanity and no one knows who they are!

“At least with politicians I can see them, hear them talk on television, and get to know their unique personalities. There’s a comfort in this. Whether I believe them all the time, well, that’s a different story, but most of the ones I’ve voted for I think are good and honorable people.”

Dr. Neruda: “When you ask the question, ‘allowed’ to run the world, whom are you referring to?”

Sarah: “Doesn’t the Central Race have something to say about this? After all, as you mentioned the other night, all of these seven ancient sites are part of a defensive weapon designed to protect the earth. They also placed this homing device in clear sight for the ACIO to uncover, which proves they’re interacting with us in our present time. Wouldn’t the Central Race need to allow these planners to have such authority over humanity’s destiny?”

Dr. Neruda: “Let me try to answer your question this way.

“Presidents and senators, congressmen and governors, presidential cabinets and military leaders, all ebb and flow, which is to say, they have their influence for a period of years, and then they move aside for others to take their place. Their agendas express short-term power to pass new legislation, appoint new judges, or amend laws. They are so focused on the politics of the near-term that they lose sight of the importance of the long term.

“The Incunabula planners have the safety of permanence and place their whole focus on the long-term objectives of humanity. This is the nature of the Incunabula. They bring continuity to the major issues of our time and the times to come for the next three generations. They operate in this realm to ensure they are not influenced by the short-term goals of special interest.

“As to your question about who ‘allows’ them to perform this function, I’d have to say that no one does. No one has control or authority over the planners, no more than anyone has control or authority over Fifteen or the Labyrinth Group.”

Sarah: “What about the Central Race, though? Doesn’t it stand to reason that they know about these planners and watch them? I thought you said earlier that this unification force, or God, advises them or something like that. Didn’t you make this comment?”

Dr. Neruda: “What I meant is that the Incunabula planners believe in this force that unifies all sentient life throughout time and space. They believe very strongly in their personal destinies or they would never have been placed in the position of a planner. It is a very esteemed position despite its anonymity.

“I have no doubt that the Central Race is aware of the Incunabula planners and perhaps there is even some influence or exchange. I don’t know. As I said before, my knowledge of the planners is based exclusively on the reports from Fifteen.”

Sarah: “So it’s possible that Fifteen made all of this up?”

Dr. Neruda: “You mean about the planners?”

Sarah: “Isn’t it possible?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. But it’s possible that his perception is not completely accurate, though I doubt it. Fifteen’s ability to grasp the character of someone is uncanny. He understands human psychology better than those writing the textbooks. I think it would be impossible for the planners to pull the wool over his eyes without him being aware of it.”

Sarah: “But you said you never met these planners – only Fifteen has…”

Dr. Neruda: “I understand your concern about the validity of this. If I could give you names to check out, or some other form of proof, I would. These organizations exist right up to the Incunabula, and they can be traced and researched. Certainly many journalists and researchers have done so regarding Freemasonry or Skull and Bones, and some with good success. But they never look at the broader order and what organization manages these larger, more abstract forces that make up the Triad of Power.”

Sarah: “But why?”

Dr. Neruda: “There’s nothing to drill into. There’s no research traction. The organization is purposely abstract and amorphous.”

Sarah: “But leaders like Clinton and Blair, aren’t they really pulling the strings? How do the planners within the Incunabula have greater power than these leaders who are signing new legislation into law or deciding whether we go to war or not? It just doesn’t make sense.”

Dr. Neruda: “Everything within a democracy is consensus and the game is designed to shift consensual opinion and fix it on a specific galvanizing target. If there’s sufficient resonance with the people, the shift can be manipulated. If there is not, the political will is stymied. Leadership all over the world, unless it’s in a country like North Korea, is bound to this certainty, and nation’s leaders are generally well schooled to operate within this reality.

“Yes, the world’s leaders appear to wield a great deal of power, but it is really aggression – not power. True power is contained in the acts of implementing a plan that is designed to enhance or optimize the position of humanity relative to its environment, and to protect it from formidable threats. The key word is humanity, which is an analogue for the collective soul of every person on the planet. It is not defined by ethnicity or geographical boundaries.

“World leaders apply aggression to achieve their agendas, which always include a healthy dose of state greed and self-aggrandizement. The concept of humanity is not a critical ingredient in their agenda. Their power, if that’s what you want to call it, is a collective will of a small inner circle of political zealots who want to secure the benefits of their power for themselves first, their state second, and their citizens third.”

Sarah: “That’s a pretty strong condemnation of our political system, assuming I understand you correctly.”

Dr. Neruda: “Then I would say you understand me quite well.”

Sarah: “So our political leaders lack real power because they’re absorbed in state agendas that exclude humanity as a whole?”

Dr. Neruda: “Please understand that I’m not condemning the individual leaders so much as I am the provincial state system, which has been engineered to excite nationalism. The individual leaders assume the identity of the state system, which is largely contrived around the single concept of patriotism.”

Sarah: “So now you’re saying patriotism is the problem? I’m confused.”

Dr. Neruda: “Patriotism is the state catalyst. It is the means by which citizens are stirred to a response. It is also the means by which leaders are directed to respond to issues or threats. Under this singular banner, wars have been prosecuted and aggression veiled. It’s the ideal method that the state uses to enjoin its citizens to support its leadership.

“I’m saying that the citizens’ identification with the state, or patriotism, is the real stumbling block to effectively deal with the issues of humanity. The individual leaders are simply pawns within this structure that was engineered as a means to colonize the weaker states.”

Sarah: “I think my brain can only handle one more question and than I’d like to call it quits for tonight. Okay with you?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, whatever you’d like.”

Sarah: “In this whole discussion tonight – most of which has been centered on the Incunabula or, maybe more appropriately I should call it the world power structure – I don’t hear much about the spiritual implications. It really sounds oddly impersonal and unspiritual, if that’s a word. Can you comment on this?”

Dr. Neruda: “What is occurring in our world is a manifestation of how a species migrates from statehood to species-hood. It is a stage within the migration plan. Humans must move from the patriotic, believe-what-I-am-told mentality, and elevate their thinking to encompass and embrace the holistic community of humankind. It will require enormous leadership capacity in order to accomplish the conclusion of this migration, because the world’s people will require a watershed event to erase its memory.”

Sarah: “Hold on a moment. What do you mean to erase its memory?”

Dr. Neruda: “There’s a persistent memory in the psyche of humans – particularly the weaker cultures that have been trampled on by nations bent on colonization. These grievous indignations to the weaker nations of the world have left a deep mark on their collective memory. It’s vital that this memory be erased or purged in order for humankind to become unified in its governance and fundamental systems.

“This event can be orchestrated or it may occur through natural means, but it’s generally agreed that an event must arise that galvanizes the world’s people to unite, and in this process, purge the memory of all peoples, but especially those who have been dealt with as victims of colonization.”

Sarah: “I know I just said I was only good for one more question, but as a journalist I can’t resist this line of thought. Give me some examples of what kind of event you’re talking about?”

Dr. Neruda: “The most probable event with global implications is an energy shortage.”

Sarah: “This is what you said earlier, but wouldn’t an energy shortage only create more friction between the haves and have-nots?”

Dr. Neruda: “If it were managed properly, no. The kind of energy shortage I’m talking about will have devastating effects on every aspect of our world. All infrastructures would be impacted, and the impact would be harsh and persistent. A global body to regulate production and distribution of existing resources, coupled to a well-managed search for alternative, renewable sources would become a necessity of this condition.

“Still behind the scenes, the Incunabula would help to manage this event in such a way as to restore equality to the world’s people. It would stand above the special interests and dominant powers, and ensure fairness. This fairness would establish its instrument of global leadership as the preeminent force for globalization, and the memory of all would – metaphorically speaking – be erased.”

Sarah: “Is this my answer for where’s the spiritual in all of this?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. Admittedly I got sidetracked a bit.

“Also, I want to make the disclaimer that what I’m disclosing is the broad concept, and anyone reading these disclosures in the future, I hope you will bear this in mind. I’m not able, owing to the circumstances and time constraint, to provide a detailed rendering. However, these details do exist and when one has the luxury of studying them, all of what I am disclosing will appear more plausible.

“Now, regarding your question. The spiritual element is very strongly integrated to the whole theme of tonight’s discussion. If I were to sum it up, I’d call it the human migration plan. Humankind is evolving on one level, and migrating on another.

“In the instance of its evolution, humans are becoming more advanced technologically speaking with the ability to multi-process more sophisticated visual, aural, and intellectual data. In other words, the brain system is changing to become more holistic in how it processes information. Computers are a big part of this evolutionary track.

“Humans are also migrating from separation by means of statehood, to unification through globalism. This is a completely different but related track. Humankind is coalescing, even though it may not seem like it because we continue to have wars and conflicts throughout the globe. It’s happening in micro-steps.”

Sarah: “And the spiritual?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, thank you. The spiritual is that these two tracks are leading humankind to something that the WingMakers call the Grand Portal. It is the connection to our human soul, which has been broken into hundreds of pieces and strewn across the globe in the form of different colors, cultures, languages, and geographies, and is now in the process of an unalterable reunion.

“This is the spiritual aspect, and it touches everything in our lives. It penetrates every single atom of our collective existence, imbuing it with a destiny that is yet unseen.”

Sarah: “You just mentioned the Grand Portal. What is it?”

Dr. Neruda: “In the glossary found on the optical disc, it talks about this—”

Sarah: “Just so you know I did read the section of the glossary you gave me, but only once, and it didn’t stick with me too well. Can you explain it again, please?”

Dr. Neruda: “The Grand Portal, according to the WingMakers, is the indisputable, scientific discovery of the human soul.”

Sarah: “Sort of like LERM isn’t it?”

Dr. Neruda: “Similar, but LERM is more the demonstration that the unification force exists and interpenetrates all dimensions of existence. It is the proof of spirit, if you will. The human soul remains elusive to our technology.”

Sarah: “But you’re not saying that soul and spirit are different, are you?, because I was always taught that soul and spirit are essentially one and the same thing.”

Dr. Neruda: “Soul, or what the WingMakers refer to as the Wholeness Navigator, is the replica of First Source (God), only compartmentalized into a singular, immortal, and wholly individualized personality. Spirit is more of the connecting force that unifies the individual soul with First Source and all other souls.”

Sarah: “I’m not sure I followed that description, but it may be that my mind is saturated right now and nothing you said would get through my thick skull. Anyway, what will be gained by having this discovery… the Grand Portal?”

Dr. Neruda: “Everything that keeps us separate – locked in statehood and provincial concerns – will be obliterated when this undeniable proof is obtained.”

Sarah: “Why would the basic nature of man, which has taken hundreds of thousands of years to form, suddenly change when science steps forward and announces that it has proven the existence of soul? It doesn’t seem plausible to me.”

Dr. Neruda: “According to the WingMakers this is the evolutionary path of the human species, and the discovery of the Grand Portal is the culmination of a global species. It creates the conditions whereby the things that separate us are stripped away, whether they’re color, race, form, geography, religion, or anything else. We find ourselves staring into the lens of science and we see that all humans are composed of the same inner substance – whatever you choose to call it – and it is this that truly defines us and our capabilities.”

Sarah: “So everything we’ve been talking about tonight… the globalization of humankind culminates in this discovery? Is that what you’re saying?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “And the Incunabula planners will be there, waiting to guide us. Is that also part of the plan?”

Dr. Neruda: “I don’t know if there’ll be a role for the Incunabula in this new world. Perhaps, perhaps not.”

Sarah: “If an individual would experience this Grand Portal and establish for themselves that they are composed of a soul – an immortal soul – wouldn’t it profoundly change the way in which they live? I mean I’m just starting to think of the ramifications, and they’re kind of scary.

“For example, what if someone saw that they don’t really die. Wouldn’t that change their attitude towards death in such a way that they no longer fear it? Perhaps people would become more reckless and daring, more dangerous.”

Dr. Neruda: “Some may. There will undoubtedly be many different reactions, and I don’t pretend to know how it will all be managed.”

Sarah: “Another thing I find interesting in this whole thing is the role of science versus religion. It seems that religion has tried its best to define soul and failed. Whatever its definitions, they seem to be based entirely on faith, and there’s no real consistency in the model. This Grand Portal is a scientific discovery, not a religious one. Correct?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “So science will get a try. What if they fail as well? Maybe there’s something so elusive, so hidden in all of this that science does no better. I mean I know some people who can be shown something and they will deny it with all their strength. How do you convince someone who doesn’t want to see it?”

Dr. Neruda: “You can think of the Grand Portal as the interface for the consciousness of vertical time. This interface will be discovered sometime in the 21st century. I don’t know all the details. I don’t know how it will impact on the individual. You may be right; some will accept it and some will not. I only know it is part of the destiny that humankind is led to achieve.”

Sarah: “According to the WingMakers?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “Did you know about this prior to reading the glossary?”

Dr. Neruda: “Do you mean did I know about the existence of the Grand Portal?”

Sarah: “Yes, that, or simply the technology to prove the existence of the human soul. Was it being planned or worked on by the ACIO?”

Dr. Neruda: “No.”

Sarah: “Are there any other organizations working on this proof – even now?”

Dr. Neruda: “Not that I know of.”

Sarah: “If no one’s trying to discover this Grand Portal, who will?”

Dr. Neruda: “That’s why I want to get these materials out. The WingMakers’ materials are designed to activate those souls that are incarnating who will play active roles in the discovery and creation of the Grand Portal—”

Sarah: “Are you saying that souls are incarnating specifically for this purpose?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. There are very advanced souls who are incarnating in the next three generations who will design, develop, and employ the Grand Portal. This is the central purpose of the WingMakers’ materials stored within these seven sites.”

Sarah: “I thought you said they were a defensive weapon?”

Dr. Neruda: “That’s one role, but there is another as well. And I believe it has to do with the artistic elements. They are encoded. They are catalysts of consciousness. I’m convinced of this based on my own experience.”

Sarah: “I’ve read many of these writings, and listened to the music. I like it, but it hasn’t catalyzed anything in me. I certainly don’t feel like I want to help design or build the Grand Portal, not that I have the mental capacity to contribute anything of value.”

Dr. Neruda: “Perhaps your role is different.”

Sarah: “Or I have no role at all. Maybe you have to have the qualities inside you before the materials can activate anything. And in my case, I have this feeling that there’s nothing there to awaken.

“Well, as much as I’m tempted to dive into more information about this Grand Portal, I think my mind has reached its full ration for the night. Let’s plan to talk more about the Grand Portal in our next interview. Okay?”

Dr. Neruda: “That’s fine with me.”

Sarah: “Anything you want to say before we sign off?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.

“If you, the reader, wonder how the information I’ve presented about the Incunabula relates to all of the various conspiracy theories about the New World Order, intelligence community, Illuminati, Freemasonry, and all the other supposed clandestine organizations of the world, I would respectfully ask you to suspend your prior notions about the motivations of these various groups.

“These are not evil-minded organizations regardless of how some portray them. Their members have children and families just like you, and they take pleasure and disgust in the very same things as you do. They are humans with all the same weaknesses for vice and greed, but they also have a strong energy to improve the world, it is simply that their definition of what a better world is may differ from yours.

“If your interest is to conjure an antagonist for your amusement, that’s your prerogative. But the issues I’ve related tonight are too serious to be amusing. They are deserving of your attention and discernment. Do your own investigation into the energy supplies of our world. You may come up with different numbers than what I mentioned, but only because the technology of the ACIO is more advanced than the petroleum industry. Nonetheless, you’ll see confirmation of this general condition.

“Look at the current events of your time whenever you read this interview. You’ll see how this plan is progressing. It may seem to take detours, but the general course is what I’ve described. It is moving in this direction not out of accident or because of the whims of the world’s leaders, you can be sure. It is all part of the orchestration of events that are played out according to the well-designed blueprints of the Incunabula planners.

“You may feel a certain anguish that you’re being led to a future not of your choosing, but if you want to have influence, then you need to be educated and aware of the real forces that are defining your future. This is a free-will universe. There is no hierarchy of angelic beings guiding the destiny of earth. There is no ascended master who dictates the pathway to enlightenment for humanity or the individual.

“If you truly want to express and apply your freewill, make it a personal religion to know the facts. Learn how to look behind the stories that are being sold by the media and politicians, and form your own conclusions. Keep your doubt intact about everything you’re told from the political stage, especially when you’re induced to be patriotic. It is one of the clearest signals to be suspicious of what you’re being told.

“When enemies are created, especially new ones, be wary of the motivations of those who claim them to be enemies. Investigate the facts. Look under all the rocks and verify your evidence. Each of you must become investigators and learn the art of research and analytical study if you want to feel more a part of the movement to globalization.

“Your insights and understandings may not change humanity’s course one millimeter, but it will change your ability to feel a part of this migration and have a sense of where humanity is moving and why.

“And to those who prefer to strike out on their own path and believe that globalism is pure folly, I can only explain to you that it must happen. It is the outward expression of who we are and it is the natural progression of our species to unify around the inner essence of our identity, instead of the outer façade of our particular nation or religious belief.

“I believe everyone understands this to varying degrees, but it is the methods of this unification that concern people. And I share this concern. If we’re collectively informed about the plan and understand the end-goal is something that holds a great promise for humanity, we can pursue this goal with greater velocity and with added confidence that the methods will be in everyone’s best interest. This must be our goal.

“And finally, many of you may feel that globalization is a concept of the New World Order and therefore dismiss it as a movement borne out of greed and the lust for power. Yes, there are always those who will take advantage of this movement to achieve personal gain, but the reason to become a unified people on this earth is far greater than the personal gains of a few. Remember this as you read your conspiracy stories.

“I’m finished, Sarah. Thank you for your indulgence.”

Sarah: “Thank you for your comments.”

End of Session